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  kevbrin написав:Блін. Ну не знаю. Ну не може банк, в якого проблеми, постійно відкривати нові відділення. Взяти хоча б Ерде чи Таврику. Вони вже рік як були в коматозі. Не розвивались зовсім.

теперь подивимось на СітіКоммєрцбанк чи на той же ВіЕйБі банк. Перший - нещодавно відкрив відділення. Другий також.

ВиЭйБи Банк открыл первое отделение на Троещине
С 26 ноября 2012 года начало работу отделение ВиЭйБи Банка № 20 на столичном жилом массиве Троещина http://www.banki.ua/news/lenta/?id=211889


ну а вы узнайте открыл (купил) или арендовал )))
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Уже Эксим заработал. Идем навстречу! (с).
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Повідомлення Додано: Чет 06 гру, 2012 19:09

mike41 А не нудно всякой хренью заниматься.Или Вы статист?
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Повідомлення Додано: Чет 06 гру, 2012 19:54

Ще один рейтинг

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  Danik написав:VAB Банк Бахматюка може повторити долю "Таврики"
http://www.epravda.com.ua/news/2012/12/6/349357/

Чем верить заказушным статейкам, лучше отчётность на сайте НБУ посмотреть. Правда она там поквартальная... История повторяется. :)
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  Jack Levine написав:официальное письмо, подтверждающее, что у украинских граждан на счетах в швейцарских банках находятся 140 млрд. долл.
Там не все так однозначно ... :)
http://asimpledropofwater.blogspot.com/ ... ammer.html
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Повідомлення Додано: Чет 06 гру, 2012 20:17

  dulya_a_a написав:вкладчик ПИБа
Сегодня был в отделении. Знакомый сотрудник сказал что все нормуль...


Вот Вам мое - ха ха ха .
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Повідомлення Додано: Чет 06 гру, 2012 21:03

  octopus написав:
  Jack Levine написав:официальное письмо, подтверждающее, что у украинских граждан на счетах в швейцарских банках находятся 140 млрд. долл.
Там не все так однозначно ... :)
http://asimpledropofwater.blogspot.com/ ... ammer.html
там в источнике другие сканы счетов индусов из викиликс, похоже верны.
http://www.aboutcorruption.org/list-of- ... unt-names/
Если швейцарцы обменивались такой инфой, то не- или полуофициально без атрибутов
что-то где-то правды, наверное, есть

Например, мне было интересно в свое время в 2009 почитать на викиликс статью о борьбе россиян на энергорынке, потом неудивительно, что подняли цены на газ, расклады правильно описали о борьбе олигархов.

¶1. (SBU) Summary: The Hungarian press has been swirling with
speculation surrounding the recent cutoff of gas supplies to
shadowy Hungarian gas firm Emfesz and its subsequent disputed
change of ownership. To some analysts, Emfesz is being
squeezed out as part of a recent agreement between Russian PM
Putin and Ukrainian PM Tymoshenko to exclude Emfesz's
controversial supplier, RosUkrEnergo (RUE), from the
Ukrainian gas trade. In this scenario, Dmytro Firtash, RUE's
criminally-linked co-owner, who also owns Emfesz, is also a
target. Many view recent developments as another effort by
Gazprom or its proxies to gain a greater stake in Hungary's
gas market. (Note: Gazprom's joint venture with E.On,
Panrusgas, is the largest gas supplier on the Hungarian
market. End note.) End summary.

SHADY HUNGARIAN GAS SUPPLIER CUT OFF FROM CUT-RATE GAS

¶2. (SBU) On April 27, Ukrainian state-owned gas transit
company Naftogaz informed Hungarian transmission operator MOL
FGSz that it would only transport gas to customers of
Gazpromexport. This effectively eliminated gas shipments to
Emfesz, which had previously purchased Central Asian gas for
import into Central Europe under a long-term contract with
similarly opaque trader RosUkrEnergo (RUE). Approximately
one month prior, local press reports indicated that Emfesz
would probably begin purchasing gas directly from
Gazpromexport as the deal between Russia and Ukraine to end
the January gas crisis had sidelined RUE, a joint venture
between Gazprom and criminally-linked Ukrainian oligarch
Dmytro Firtash. Emfesz is the dominant player on the
liberalized portion of Hungary's gas market, accounting for
roughly 20-25 percent of the total market. Most of its
business is with large industrial gas consumers, but it has
added thousands of households to its customer list in recent
months with an aggressive marketing campaign based on
undercutting the regulated retail price by 8 percent, a
tactic enabled by its favorable supply terms with RUE.

¶3. (C) According to Dr. Gabor Szorenyi, Director for Gas
Licensing, Monitoring and Consumer Protection at the
Hungarian Energy Office (MEH), Gazprom and the Hungarian,
Ukrainian and Russian gas transmission companies have been
unable to reconcile their month-end accounts to determine
"who bought gas from which sources." This is probably
because Emfesz until recently was still receiving gas through
Ukraine. (Note: According to local press reports, gas
deliveries to Poland dropped in February when RUE was no
longer able to meet its contract commitments. End note.)
Dr. Szorenyi told Econoff that the MEH had recently received
a letter from Gazprom Deputy Chairman Alexander Medvedev
asking that Hungary reduce its gas intake at the Ukrainian
border. A subsequent letter from Ukraine's Naftogaz demanded
that Hungary reduce its gas intake by 20 percent within one
day or face a 40 percent drop in gas pressure from the
Ukrainian side, potentially disrupting Hungary's entire
transmission system.

NEW SUPPLIER NAMED, BUT WHERE IS THE GAS?

¶4. (C) On April 28, Emfesz announced that it would begin
purchasing gas from Rosgas AG, a previously unknown company
registered, like RUE, in Zug, Switzerland. Emfesz described
Rosgas as "a company in Gazprom's network of business
interests," but Gazprom emphatically denied any connection
with Rosgas. According to press reports, the two principal
shareholders of Rosgas are Andras Laki, a Swiss lawyer of
Hungarian background, and Tamas Gazda, a Hungarian national
who also serves as mergers and acquisitions director for
Emfesz and as a member of the board of Emfesz Poland. Emfesz
provided the MEH with a letter from Rosgas to prove that it
has a new supplier, but according to Dr. Szorenyi, there have
been no gas deliveries from Rosgas to date.

BUDAPEST 00000356 002 OF 003



¶5. (C) Istvan Kutas, spokesman for E.On, Hungary's largest
gas wholesaler, confirmed to Econoff that Emfesz has kept its
customers supplied by purchasing so-called "balancing gas"
that E.On sells to MOL FGSz for $1/tcm over the wholesale
price. He also says that E.On is selling gas directly to
Emfesz for a limited time at a somewhat higher margin over
wholesale and that Emfesz is losing money on every cubic
meter it sells for the promised discount. According to
Kutas, Emfesz lost $2 million in two days last week due to
this negative margin on gas sales. Kutas and Szorenyi each
note that Emfesz will face a significant financial hurdle at
the end of May when it has to pay MOL FGSz for its gas
purchases. Emfesz representatives tell E.On, however, that
gas supplies from Rosgas will commence by May 15.

NEW EMFESZ OWNER: GAZPROM BY ANOTHER NAME?

¶6. (SBU) Until recently, Firtash owned Emfesz through his
Cyprus-registered Mabofi Holdings Limited, a unit of his
investment holding company, Group DF. On May 7, however, the
Hungarian press reported that Emfesz had been sold to Rosgas
on April 28, but that the share sale had not been registered
until May 4. Mabofi Holdings, which reportedly only realized
on May 6 that the sale had taken place, claims that Emfesz
General Director Istvan Goczi fraudulently, and without
approval from Mabofi or Group DF, transferred ownership in
Emfesz to Rosgas based on a 2004 power of attorney granting
him authority to carry out the initial acquisition of Emfesz.
According to the Group DF website, Mabofi plans to seek
legal remedies in Hungarian, Swiss, and Cypriot courts.

¶7. (C) Dr. Szorenyi confirms that Emfesz registered the
ownership change with the MEH and adds that the Hungarian
authorities have requested additional information regarding
the new owner's true ownership structure. In response to
Econoff's question about the possible consequence of an
unsatisfactory response to this request, Dr. Szorenyi
indicated that the GoH would probably be hesitant to
intervene as long as customers are being served, particularly
given the potentially bad optics of removing the license of
the largest player on the unregulated market.

¶8. (SBU) The sale of Emfesz occurred two weeks after Goczi
suggested in a local press interview that ongoing gas supply
negotiations with Gazprom might also involve the Russian
company taking an ownership stake in Emfesz. The Hungarian
press further highlights, based on Ukrainian press, that
Firtash was under pressure from Gazprom to turn over his
operation to Moscow to settle a $514 million debt to Gazprom.
The Russian press, as reported in Hungarian media, cites
Gazprom sources as saying that Firtash rejected Gazprom's
offer and that Rosgas will be controlled by Bulgarian gas
middleman Overgas, which is 50 percent owned by Gazprom.

¶9. (SBU) It is also unclear who exactly is in charge at
Emfesz. According to the local press, Rosgas representatives
arrived at Emfesz headquarters and said Goszi was out. Not
surprisingly, Goczi has been removed from the Group DF board
of directors. Emfesz, however, still officially claims to
the media and in its dealings with E.On that Goczi is the
CEO. Econoff has noticed in press reporting that Emfesz's
press spokesman, Boris Shestakov, has apparently been
replaced by Igor Gallyas.

MOL, OTP BANK POSSIBLE PLAYERS IN THICKENING PLOT

¶10. (C) Although he is not convinced that Gazprom is
directly behind Rosgas, E.On's Istvan Kutas believes the
shots against Emfesz are being called from Moscow and that
there may be other intended targets beyond Firtash.
According to Kutas, "many people are involved in Emfesz,"
including Gazprom, without whose consent Emfesz/RUE would not
be able to purchase Central Asian gas. He surmises that a
faction within Gazprom's management or another company acting
as a proxy for Gazprom could be involved.

BUDAPEST 00000356 003 OF 003



¶11. (C) Kutas also suggests that Hungarian energy giant
MOL's recent success in barring the door, for the time being,
against a takeover by Russia's opaque Surgutneftegaz could
have triggered the actions against Emfesz, noting that they
began shortly after MOL excluded Surgut from its annual
shareholders meeting (reftel). Kutas strongly believes that
MOL CEO Zsolt Hernadi and OTP Bank CEO/MOL Director Sandor
Csanyi have been involved in Emfesz since its inception and
that moves against Emfesz may have been aimed partly at
exacting retribution for their efforts to defend MOL, and in
a way that more directly targets their personal finances.
(Note: Other well-informed local analysts have expressed
similar convictions to Econoff regarding possible connections
between Hernadi, Csanyi, and Emfesz. End note.)

¶12. (C) To support his theory about Hernadi's and Csanyi's
connections to Emfesz, Kutas described how MOL helped remove
a previous supplier, Eurobridge, which was owned by an
advisor to former PM Orban, after the Socialist government
took power in Hungary in 2002. MOL's purchases of gas from
the newly-formed Emfesz, in addition to Gazprom, allowed the
company a foothold on the Hungarian market. In 2006, within
months after MOL sold its gas wholesale business to E.On, all
gas-consuming entities owned by MOL and OTP/Csanyi (i.e.,
MOL's refinery and various factories in which Csanyi has a
stake) switched their business to Emfesz. Kutas emphasizes
that MOL, as owner of the gas transmission system and gas
storage facilities, could have blocked access to Emfesz, but
instead gave it an entree to the Hungarian market. During
the January gas crisis, Kutas told Econoff that Emfesz was
supplying its customers by tapping into storage held in the
name of OTP Trade. (Note: E.On purchased MOL's commercial
gas storage facilities and wholesale business in 2006. End
note.) Recent press reports indicate that Emfesz, under
financial pressure, was negotiating with MOL as well as with
state-owned electricity giant MVM to sell them minority
stakes in a power plant it plans to build in eastern Hungary.
OTP Bank has already committed to take the lead in a
syndicated bank loan for the project.

¶13. (C) Comment: Given the murky, often conflicting details,
it is impossible to know with certainty what is behind the
observable events. Gazprom and/or its proxies could
plausibly have found a way to simultaneously rob Firtash of
his company, expand Russia's presence on the Hungarian energy
market, and send a message to Hernadi and Csanyi. Somewhat
less likely, but still possible, is the notion that this is
all an elaborate ruse to enable Firtash to conceal his
ongoing involvement in a reconstituted Emfesz. Only time
will (hopefully) tell who are the winners and losers in this
latest Hungarian energy skirmish. End comment.
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Повідомлення Додано: Чет 06 гру, 2012 21:05

Верховная Рада приняла госбюджет-2013

"Кабинет министров утвердил два сценария прогнозных макропоказателей на 2013 год и заложил в проект госбюджета оптимистический, который предполагает рост ВВП на 3,4% при инфляции 4,8%. В правительстве также ожидают, что среднегодовой курс гривни к доллару в 2013 году составит 8,3 грн./$1 и на конец года будет равен 8,4 грн./$1."
http://finance.liga.net/economics/2012/ ... /31266.htm
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Повідомлення Додано: Чет 06 гру, 2012 21:23

  mike41 написав:Дамы и господа!
За 21 час до окончания голосования ситуация выглядит так.
Если считать по сообщениям, из которых понятно, за кого именно проголосовали участники:
квестор = 109
Фунтик = 62
Адам Смит =57
Остальные набирают не более 5 голосов каждый.
Однако, как обратил внимание коллега Wovik, если строго следовать букве Правил, где сказано, что ники претендентов должны быть скопированы, а не написаны произвольно, то картина меняется:
квестор = 74
Адам Смит= 57
Фунтик = 53.
Столь большая потеря голосов квестором возможна потому, что во многих сообщениях его ник написан с заглавной буквы, а не с маленькой.
Есть варианты и в написании ника Фунтик.
На то, чтобы подредактировать свои сообщения время есть.
Правда, есть оно и у электората соперников - на финишные броски.


шо за голосовалка за шо и хде?
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